NYT Discovers Fox News Is Not MSNBC

“We decided. They reported.” NYT’s media star David Carr’s full-throated praise of Fox News for not accepting Karl Rove’s election night assertions it was “premature” to call Ohio for Obama. “Journalism won in a rough night for Fox News.”

Carr: “While Fox News allowed him to say his piece, it didn’t cave — and, more important, it didn’t question the legitimacy of the election over all, a move that could have led to all manner of unhealthy speculation. The best journalistic instincts of Fox’s news people kicked in and the hard reality of Mr. Obama’s triumph was allowed to land as it occurred. In doing so, the network avoided marginalizing itself and ended, at least for a night, its war on the president.”

NYT’s Carr:  It has been suggested, here and elsewhere, that Fox News effectively became part of the Republican propaganda apparatus during the presidential campaign by giving pundit slots to many of the Republican candidates and relentlessly advocating for Mitt Romney once he won the nomination.

Over many months, Fox lulled its conservative base with agitprop: that President Obama was a clear failure, that a majority of Americans saw Mr. Romney as a good alternative in hard times, and that polls showing otherwise were politically motivated and not to be believed.

But on Tuesday night, the people in charge of Fox News were confronted with a stark choice after it became clear that Mr. Romney had fallen short: was Fox, first and foremost, a place for advocacy or a place for news?

In this moment, at least, Fox chose news.


By now, most of you have no doubt seen or read about the election-night stare-down between the anchors at Fox News and Karl Rove, who, apart from running a “super PAC” that aimed to defeat the president, also served as an on-air commentator. While news outlets love access to insiders, Mr. Rove’s two roles seemed to be in profound conflict after Fox’s decision desk projected that the president had won Ohio, all but guaranteeing him re-election. Mr. Rove said that the call was premature and that the decision desk was ignoring important data.

While Fox News allowed him to say his piece, it didn’t cave — and, more important, it didn’t question the legitimacy of the election over all, a move that could have led to all manner of unhealthy speculation. The best journalistic instincts of Fox’s news people kicked in and the hard reality of Mr. Obama’s triumph was allowed to land as it occurred. In doing so, the network avoided marginalizing itself and ended, at least for a night, its war on the president.

Watching a news show transparently at war with itself made for extraordinary live television. Just after 11 p.m. on Tuesday, Fox News called Ohio for Mr. Obama. But Mr. Rove, who had helped finance over $300 million in attack ads, was getting phone calls from Romney officials protesting that forecast. He went on live television to challenge it, citing data he was receiving from the Ohio secretary of state.

“That’s awkward,” said Megyn Kelly, the co-anchor, speaking for many of us.

If Fox News had backed up under pressure from the Romney campaign and Mr. Rove, it could have fomented temporary but damaging unrest among its many fervent viewers.

Instead, Ms. Kelly walked down the hall and confronted the decision desk with Mr. Rove’s protest. She asked the head of Fox News’s decision team, Arnon Mishkin, “You tell me whether you stand by your call in Ohio given the doubts Karl Rove just raised?” Ms. Kelly may as well have been asking, “Are we a news organization or an instrument of the conservative agenda?”

Smiling, Mr. Mishkin answered plainly, “We are actually quite comfortable with our call in Ohio.” He and his colleagues were convinced, along with everyone else, that there were not enough Republican votes left in Ohio for Mr. Romney to turn the tide.

Ms. Kelly seemed satisfied, Mr. Rove was vanquished, and by this time the president had been declared the winner over all. Fox News, in this instance at least, landed firmly on the side of journalism, the facts and a narrative based on reality as opposed to partisan fantasy.

As my colleague Jeremy Peters reported, it was Michael Clemente, the executive vice president for news, who decided to let Mr. Rove have his say and then send Ms. Kelly to check it out.

“I was thinking about transparency, about putting out the facts as they happened,” Mr. Clemente told me in a telephone interview.

“For a half an hour, there was a missing piece that other networks were skating around — why there had been no talk of concession — and we wanted to explore why that was happening,” he said. He added that once Fox concluded that the numbers from the decision desk were correct, it went with them.

“I knew that a big chunk of our viewers were going to be disappointed in the outcome,” Mr. Clemente said, “but I work on the news side, and the most important thing was getting it right.”

With the game declared over, Fox’s audience clicked off in droves. In the 10 p.m. hour, more than 10 million people were tuned in to Fox News, but that audience dropped almost by half in the 11 p.m. hour, once it was clear the president had been re-elected.

Jon Stewart, Slate and others had some fun with the civil war at Fox News, but I found the whole episode somewhat reassuring.

It was going to be a rough night at Fox News no matter how they played it. The channel had pushed all of its chips into the middle and showed its hand, all but declaring that it would be a big night for Mr. Romney. And in the run-up to the election, the channel tilted the rink in favor of Mr. Romney without compunction, keeping its viewers wrapped in a gauzy bubble of conservative notions about a country that had lost regard for its president.

According to Media Matters, a liberal watchdog group, in the final days of the campaign Fox News ran more than two and a half hours of Mr. Romney’s speeches while giving just 27 minutes to Mr. Obama’s.

But the channel was hardly alone in its partisanship. According to the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism,   71 percent of MSNBC’s segments about Mr. Romney were negative, while Fox News went negative on the president 46 percent of the time.

Part of the reason the result came as such a shock was that followers of conservative media had been told over and over that mainstream analysis was not to be trusted, that it reflected liberal ideology and not data. But they were misled by media outlets that shared their values, Fox chief among them. David Frum, the conservative columnist, made just that point on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” show last week when he said that Republicans had been “fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex.”

Campaigns are about partisanship, about the contest, but elections are about what actually happened. We all have our rooting interests, and Fox News’s are more manifest than most, but no news person wants to be caught out and end up looking dumb.

Fox News made the call on Ohio, and was the third network to call the election, behind NBC and MSNBC, because news people work there and knew what the data were saying. No matter how much Mr. Rove and much of the Fox News audience wanted it to end differently, Barack Obama had been duly re-elected as president of the United States. We decided. They reported.

But MSNBC, “the anti-Fox gains ground.” Brian Stelter NYT.

Sunday, November 11, 2012 @ 8:04 PM


  • http://www.facebook.com/john.cobb.509 John Cobb

    No offence Marty, but, I am not going to read that crap.

    No one from the NYTs or any other news outlet has a right to critic FOX  for anything.

    • http://chickaboomer.com/ Marty Davis

      Carr actually compliments Fox News. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.cobb.509 John Cobb

      That’s the prob, with the things the NYT and the tv news people did this election, none of them should ever be shown respect again. I am tired of the propaganda.

    • Luke Francis

      Fox is as much propaganda as MSNBC.

    • Sentinel

       Agreed, especially after that shit Rove has been shoveling for the past 6 months.  His cred is shot to hell, as it should have been.

    • http://chickaboomer.com/ Marty Davis

      Rove figured he might be right pulling the same stunt he did in 2004 and 2008 when he actually was right. 

      It was just obvious that Rove had so much invested in the outcome personally and professionally.  And he’s been attempting to save face and justify since last Tuesday. 

      I’ll say it again:  Rove and guys like CNN’s Paul Begala — with a vested interest in the outcomes of elections for clients and donors — should not be hired to opine on election night.   Maybe I’m old school, but that’s what I believe.

      The seemingly interminable minutes it took Fox’s Megyn Kelly and Bret Baier to reign in Rove were an embarrassment.

      Rove should be confined to producing maps and statistics at which he excels. 

    • http://chickaboomer.com/ Marty Davis

       Both have “propaganda” but Fox seems to peddle it far less on election night and in other instances where straight news should prevail.

      And who can forget 2008 when MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann was called back to NY after his performance at the Repub convention?   How NBC’s parent company GE stockholders raised concerns about MSNBC’s coverage.

      Fox also appears to be not in the business of name-calling like MSNBC.  Chris Matthews’s misogynistic Hillary slurs in 2008.  “Chelsea pimped out” opined David Shuster.  Conservative talker Laura Ingraham a “slut” — Ed Schultz. 
      Matthews’s latest:  that he was “glad” for Hurricane Sandy because it helped Obama.

      I must admit I’m not a fan of Bill O’Reilly and even less so of Sean Hannity — the two major propagandists at Fox.  I find some of the spin in other Fox shows tedious and predictable.